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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:21 pm
by Alpay Dedeoglu
Zamaninda Amerikadan kesin donus karari vermis biri olarak
bunun kisisel bir beklenti secimi oldugunu dusunuyorum.
Burada ailen ve dostlarin var, dibe vursan bile ayakta kalirsin.
Orada kafadan homeless..
Burada en azindan ''Birisi'' oluyorsun. Orada ayagin kaydiginda ''No body''.
Birde tabii saglik problemi var.
Bir ciddi hastalik Amerikada cok varlikli olmadigin surece
kisisel iflas demek. Buradaki kiytirik sosyal sigorta bile gereginde binlerce dolarlik hastaliklari karsiliyor. Insurance kralini yaptirsan bile zor,
ciddi bir hastalikta kivirtiveriyorlar hemen.

Obur yandada Amerika icin dunya orada , rekabet orada, kisisel sinirlari test etme orada,kirk milletten insan ve onun getirdigi vizyon orada, daha medeni ve saglikli(spor, beslenme, vs..) ortam orada.. Tabii Amerikada da oldugun yere gore degisir bu artilar.

Biz burada Amerikaya lanet ederken , esasinda soylediklerimiz birkac yüz aile cevresinde olusmus Amerikayi yoneten guruh. Tabii anlam kaymasi oluyor. Ama inanin , bu guruh hem dunyaya , hemde kendi vatandasina ayni olcude zarar veriyor, birde kendi vatandasi bir suru vergi oduyor bu aptal birakilma, saglik, egitim ve guvenlik eksikligi icin, aptal savaslara cebinden giden milyarlarca dolarda isin cabasi. Ben bu anlamda bu insanlara aciyorum. Kaldiki ortalama bir amerikaliyi , yuz defa ortalama bir fransiza,ingilize, almana tercih ederim. En azindan aralarina kabul ederler, obur domuzlar sittin sene kabul etmezler.

Ne Turkiyeye , nede Amerikaya cok bir sey olur krizde. Birinin lackaligi, oburununde kaynaklari en buyuk guvenceleri.

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:24 am
by Ismail Gezer
Mehmet Gurdal Cetin wrote:
Bir de soyle bir sey demisim;

Umarim ABD'nin sonu fena olur,
Orada yasayan kardeslerimiz de bir gun
Annelerine babalarina sevdiklerine dogdugu guzel topraklara
Daha guzel gunler icin geri donerler.
Amiin... En anlamlı cümle!
Gürcistanda israil yanlısı gösteriler olmuş küçük çapta. israil üzerinden ABD'ye yalakalık yapacaklar gerizekalılar..
Dünyada bir tane büyük devlet var, şeytanın büyüğü amerika.
Araplar şerefsizmiş? Kimse tepki göstermiyormuş! Bunlar hikaye. İsraile lanet okuyamayacak kadar insanlığını yitirmiş zavallıların göz boyaması.
Amerikanın malları hergün katledilen çocukların görüntülerini izlemiyor mu? İzliyor ama umurunda değil. 1000 tane müslüman çocuğu ölse ne olur? Kıçıyla gülüyordur tabi, obez amerikanın obez hayvanları!

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:51 pm
by Mehmet Daskiran
Ismail Gezer wrote:Kıçıyla gülüyordur tabi, obez amerikanın obez hayvanları!
Ismail madem oyle dusunuyorsun, su soldaki Eric Cartman figurunu de bir tornadan (fotoshop) geciriver :lol:

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:20 pm
by Mehmet Gurdal Cetin
Mehmet Daskiran wrote:
Ismail Gezer wrote:Kıçıyla gülüyordur tabi, obez amerikanın obez hayvanları!
Ismail madem oyle dusunuyorsun, su soldaki Eric Cartman figurunu de bir tornadan (fotoshop) geciriver :lol:
:lol:

Cok guzel tespit etmissin.

Ismail ve su an kalbinde bu aciyi nefreti hisseden herkesin bence yanlis yaptigi bu. Bu yapilanlardan tum Amerikan halki sorumlu tutulamaz.Bizde bu sefer sterotype insan oluyoruz.

Tum Amerikalilar serefsiz, vicdansiz, hayvan

HAYIR

Amerikalilarin obezitesine bile kafayi takmaya gelmis olay.Konu su Amerikalilar dunyada olan bitenle cok alakali degiller zaten.Turkiye'nin yerini Korfez savasinda ogrendiler. Anlatsin Ozan, Ozgur,Cengiz abi, Murat Abi, Mehmet (Daskiran) oradaki sokaktaki insanlarin yasamlarini, kulturlerini, entellektuel bakis acilarini cehaleti...

Amerikada toplu bir tepki en son IRAK'ta olu sayisi abartili bir sayiya donusunce cikti.Olen bir asker annesi kampanyalarla olaylari dunyaya duyurdu.

Amerika basininda GAZZE ilk haber bile degildir eminim, finansal kriz NFL skorlari daha dikkat cekici haber olabilir onlar icin.Cunku Amerika yillardir savasiyor, yillardir ISRAIL en buyuk dost.Israil'in ilk vukuati degil bu sonuncusu da olmayacak.

Amerika cok buyuk bir mozaik, bizden tabi ki cok farklilar, ama sucun onlarda olduguna inanmiyorum.

Yonetenlerin gunahi bunlar.Bizde, orda, Gazze'de, Askelon'da.

Bir suru muamma ve celiski var aslinda,

Terminoloji deki en buyugu,

Hangisi ozgurluk savascisi hangisi terorist

Hamas mi? PKK 'mi ? Cecen Direnisi mi? Gurcistan'a verilen gizli destek mi?

Hangi ulke vatandaslarini sinirlarini korumak icin sinir otesi harekat yapiyor?

Turkiye mi? Israil mi? Amerika'mi ?

Hangi ulke ozel egitimli seckin birliklerini Antalya'da , Konya'da egitiyor?
Buna kim izin veriyor?
Buna izin veren devletin Basbakani niye hamaset edebiyati yapip bu ulkeye nasil diklenme gucunu kendinde buluyor ?

Farkinda misiniz ?
Turkiye , Israil ve Amerika'da bu senenin son 6 ayinin ortak noktasi ne ?

SECIMLER YAKLASIYOR (ABD'de bitti)

YEAR OF ELECTION
Bir seyler yapilmasi gerekiyordu

Yapildi da, bedelini de bu cocuklar odedi. :(

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:51 pm
by Mehmet Gurdal Cetin
Olay hakkinda biraz daha bilgi sahibi olabilmemiz icin bu roportaji buraya sicagi sicagina eklemeyi uygun buldum.

Konu ile ilgili Birlesmis Milletler Yakin Dogu Filistin Multecileri icin Yardim ve Calisma Grubu (the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) sitesinden ve asagida bu konuya cok hakim , hayatini bu organizasyona adamis Christopher Gunness'in da katildigi bir roportaj olayin su an su saniyesindeki vehametini gozler onune suruyor.

Karsilikli iki tarafin da olaya bakis acisi var, asagida o yuzden on yargisiz okuyun derim.Sonucta Israil'in de cocuklari bebekleri oldu yaralandi gecmiste..

http://www.un.org/unrwa/english.html

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AMY GOODMAN: Israeli ground troops have reportedly surrounded Gaza City and divided the Strip into two, cutting off internal supply lines. Amidst reports of house raids in some areas, air and naval raids have continued on other parts of the Gaza Strip. Among those killed were a family of seven from the Shati refugee camp and at least four Palestinian paramedics.


On the diplomatic front, the Security Council is meeting again today to discuss the crisis after Sunday’s emergency session did not produce a ceasefire resolution. On Saturday, the United States blocked a UN Security Council statement calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.


Egypt, meanwhile, is hosting meetings for a European-backed ceasefire today. Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit emphasized the importance of Security Council action.


AHMED ABOUL GHEIT: [translated] Why hasn’t the Security Council acted when it is necessary that it act? The issue is, I think, it will take some time. But the matter also requires increasing the pressure directed at reaching a Security Council resolution. It is not possible that the matter remains this way.



AMY GOODMAN: Israeli officials claim the military operation is not targeting civilians and that there’s no humanitarian crisis. Israeli President Shimon Peres said Sunday, “There is no shortage of basic needs in Gaza.” He was interviewed on ABC’s This Week by George Stephanopoulos


PRESIDENT SHIMON PERES: Even today, by the way, one of the passages is open, because there is no shortage of basic needs in Gaza. We take care that medical equipment and food and fuel will arrive to Gaza, even today.



AMY GOODMAN: Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told humanitarian organizations Sunday Israel wants to “ease the life of the population” during the military operation.


TZIPI LIVNI: The military operation in the Gaza Strip, we made a clear distinction between the fight against terrorism and between the need to help the population in the way we opened the crossings more than ever in comparison to the past in order to breach all the gaps that were there in terms of humanitarian needs. In an understanding that the military operation is something that can be perceived or can affect the daily lives of the citizens, we want to work together with organizations in order to see out—to ease the life of the population while there is an ongoing operation against Hamas.



AMY GOODMAN: Despite Israeli statements, fears of a humanitarian crisis are growing. The United Nations Food Program has reportedly suspended operations in northern Gaza, where nearly 250,000 people are without electricity. Reports indicate nearly 70 percent of the one-and-a-half million residents of Gaza are now without water. Hospitals are struggling to cope with the rising casualties and running on fuel-powered generators, even as fuel supplies threaten to run out.


I’m joined now by Christopher Gunness, the spokesperson for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, known as UNRWA. He’s on the line with us from Gaza.


Welcome to Democracy Now! Can you describe the situation there, Christopher Gunness?


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: It’s absolutely horrifying. The people of Gaza are terrorized. They’re traumatized. And they are trapped.


On the humanitarian front, a million people across the Strip are without electricity, because we’ve been unable to get fuel in, though we did get some fuel in today to the main power plant that’s been shut down since Sunday. At least a quarter of a million people, probably more, are without running water. Our food distribution centers have, all but two of them, managed to keep going, and all but five of our eighteen health clinics have opened.


But when I hear Israeli politicians—excuse me—say that there is no humanitarian crisis, there are plenty of supplies in Gaza, Israel’s obligations as an occupying power do not end when they dump a handful of trucks on the edges of the fence that they’ve built around Gaza. We have to have a humanitarian strategic breathing space around certain facilities so that we can get goods in at the sufficient quantities, namely the Nahal Oz crossing point for industrial-level fuel. And if we can’t get that in, then these one million people without electricity will continue to be without electricity. And we need to get in grain, wheat grain, at the main conveyor belt at the Karni crossing, an industrial-sized crossing. Without that, our food stocks will run out in the next forty-eight hours, and people, particularly those cut-off communities around the fighting in northern Gaza, face the serious threat of hunger.


There is a humanitarian crisis, and it ill-behooves Israeli politicians simply to say there is no shortage of anything in Gaza. There is a shortage of wheat, and there is a shortage of fuel, and that means that people are facing a humanitarian crisis.


AMY GOODMAN: We’re also joined in Washington, D.C. by Meagan Buren. She’s senior adviser to the Israel Project, which is a pro-Israel government group in Washington, D.C., also based in Jerusalem. Meagan Buren, when you hear Christopher Gunness’s description, it’s very different from what the Israeli leaders are saying.


MEAGAN BUREN: First, let me be clear that we’re a non-governmental organization. And I hear what he’s saying, and I think that there are very difficult situations on the ground in Gaza, without question. But you see that there are very difficult situations on the ground inside of Israel, as well. And where was this outcry of support when 9,000 rockets were being fired at Israeli civilians in kindergartens and living rooms and bedrooms? People have been sleeping in bomb shelters for years, living their lives in fifteen-second increments, wondering whether or not they’re going to have time to get to a bomb shelter in the next fifteen seconds when the siren goes off. When is it enough?


AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Gunness, your response to the situation in Israel?


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: First of all, we at the United Nations condemn the rockets. And let me again condemn them. They are utterly condemnable. And my message is as much to the rocket launchers as to the Israeli army, which is that enough innocent women and children, dozens have been killed just within the last few days. And, of course, our hearts go out to those families in Sderot, who, as your contributor from Washington says, are being terrorized. Of course, that is absolutely condemnable.


However, let’s look at the proportionality here. Let me ask your contributor from Washington, how many have been killed in the last few days? 531, among them, women, children. Just last night, seven of our refugees, unconfirmed reports saying killed in their beds while they slept. Nine of our students killed in one air strike. This is not proportionate. And what is happening in Sderot, which is utterly condemnable, I don’t think justifies this level of disproportionality. Anyone looking at the facts, straightforward, on the ground, listens to what your contributor in Washington is saying and says, “Yes, of course it’s unforgivable. It’s condemnable.” But surely, you can also understand that this degree of killing of innocent women and children and babies is not justified.


AMY GOODMAN: Meagan Buren, your response?


MEAGAN BUREN: And let me also agree that I think the death of a Palestinian child is no less of a tragedy than the death of an Israeli child. But for over eight years now, we’ve been talking about rockets coming into Israel. Let’s talk about that word “proportionality” for a moment. What should Israel do? We’re talking about a democratic country that has a moral obligation, like any other country would, to defend its citizens. What would proportionality be every time Hamas fires a rocket discriminately targeting civilians? Israel should fire a rocket back? One rocket for one rocket back into civilian territories? That would be awful.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: Can I ask you, when were you last in Sderot? When did you last go to Sderot and talk to people there?


MEAGAN BUREN: I mean, Israel tries very, very hard—and sometimes unsuccessfully, but tries very hard to avoid these civilian casualties. But Hamas—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: When were you last in Sderot?


MEAGAN BUREN: —continues to put their rocket launchers and missile launchers and activities in densely populated areas within Gaza. What should Israel do? What would America do if, every day, rockets were coming over our border, sometimes hundreds of rockets a day, specifically targeting innocent civilians? What would any country do in response to that after years and years? And also, remember, Israel is not inside of Gaza.


AMY GOODMAN: Let’s put that question to Christopher Gunness.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: Well, let me say, first of all, that unlike your contributor, I suspect, in Washington, I spend a lot of time in Sderot. I go there all the time, and I speak to the residents of Sderot. And although at the moment there might be considerable support within Israel, in these frontline towns that take the barrage and are taking the barrage—by the way, which is intensified with this ground operation—they say, many of them say to me, “The one thing that my government has not tried is talking. We talked to the PLO, and look, we got Oslo.” OK, there are many imperfections, and Oslo wasn’t as implemented. But you know what? A lot of Israelis say the one thing that’s not been tried is talking. And you have to talk to your enemies.


If anyone thinks that the misery and the grief and the tragedy that’s being inflicted on the young generation, people seeing their grandparents and their children and their brothers and sisters killed in their droves, these are never going to be partners of peace. If anybody thinks that this is in the long-term interests of peace—it may, short term, stop some rockets, I grant you that—if anyone thinks that this is in the long-term interest of granting Israeli citizens dignity and security, they better go to Gaza and talk to people about the sorts of feelings that are being stirred up by this wholly disproportionate use of force. The arguments being contributed—being advanced by your contributor in Washington is pure short-termism. It feels vengeful, and it’s not in the interests of peace.


MEAGAN BUREN: I’m sorry, I disagree. I actually have visited Sderot within the past year, and our organization has an office in Sderot all the time, which has been targeted by rocket fire as well, directly across the street from the police station that houses the casings of these thousands and thousands of rockets that have been fired. And speaking with residents that I speak to in Sderot, they say, “Enough is enough. When am I allowed to take a shower that lasts longer than fifteen seconds?”—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: But please answer my question. Please.


MEAGAN BUREN: “What about my elderly mother who can’t take a shower, because she doesn’t think that she can get to the bomb shelter fast enough to be secure and safe?”


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: How is this in the longer-term interest of a just and durable peace?


MEAGAN BUREN: “Which child do I take out of the bed at night, because I only have fifteen seconds”—


AMY GOODMAN: Meagan Buren—


MEAGAN BUREN: —“and I can’t get all three?”


AMY GOODMAN: —in the long term—


MEAGAN BUREN: That’s what the people in Sderot are saying to me: “Enough is enough.”


AMY GOODMAN: In the long term, how do you see this ending? Christopher Gunness asking you, how do you see this leading—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: How do you see it contributing to peace—I’d like to know that—durable, lasting, just peace?


MEAGAN BUREN: I think that the people that understand what’s going on on the ground here understand that Hamas is never going to negotiate with Israel.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: They have been, at these Cairo talks. They have been negotiating.


MEAGAN BUREN: And while Israel is defending itself in the south against Hamas, a terrorist organization—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: Excuse me.


AMY GOODMAN: Let’s do one at a time. Just one second.


MEAGAN BUREN: —Europeans won’t speak. Israel is still negotiating with Fatah on the West Bank and working towards a two-state solution, where both sides can live in peace. Remember that Israel left all of Gaza three years ago in hopes of peace, in hopes of jumpstarting a [inaudible]. What did they get in return? Rockets. What needs to happen now is the rockets need to stop, and Hamas needs to understand that they can no longer fire these rockets.


AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Gunness?


MEAGAN BUREN: And really, we will move towards a two-state solution with our partners in peace.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: Can I just say—I mean, I do hope I don’t sound disrespectful, but it is simply empirically incorrect to say that Israel has not been speaking to Hamas and Hamas has not been speaking to Israel. There have been talks in Cairo, which led to a ceasefire, which came into effect on the 19th of June this year, and there were five months of relative calm. Go and ask the people of Sderot, because I’ve been there and I’ve asked them. They were very pleased that there were talks, and they were very pleased that those talks led to some sort of peace for them.


What happened was, on the night of Barack Obama’s election victory, Israel went in to destroy some tunnels, which it had known about for some time. I’m not saying there hadn’t been rockets on the Hamas side, because there had been, but by and large, compared with the period before then, there had been relative calm. Militants were killed in that operation, and then there was a barrage of rockets. Now, I’m not saying one side broke the ceasefire or the other did. But the fact is that there was, in the five months following the 19th of June, a relative period of calm, in which the very people that you’re talking about in Sderot were very pleased that Israel spoke to Hamas. And that should have been built upon, because there were the glimmers of peace. And instead, all of that has been wrecked by this air bombardment and by the continuing rockets.


MEAGAN BUREN: I’m sure that the people of Sderot were pleased that there was calm. Who wouldn’t be pleased with six months of calm after having those types of rockets? But let’s be clear, this was not a true ceasefire [inaudible]—


AMY GOODMAN: We’re sorry, we’re having a little trouble with the sound going in and out from Washington. Meagan Buren?


MEAGAN BUREN: We need to move towards a real ceasefire, not just a small calm, but a real ceasefire, because what happened during that calm that you just spoke of, which was quite a reprieve for the citizens of Sderot, Hamas used that as an opportunity to rearm with even stronger and more weapons. And now what happens? We’re not just speaking of the people that live directly outside of Sderot—I mean, directly outside of Gaza, very close within three miles, seven miles of Gaza, we’re talking about major population centers of Israel that are now also under rocket fire. We’re talking about the entire neck of the entire south of the country, because their rockets, backed by Iran and funded by Iran, are going further and further into the country, targeting more and more innocent civilians. The calm was used to rearm.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: And let me say that we condemn—


AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Gunness.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: —the Grad missiles that are striking further into Israel. But let me also say that the root of the rockets—and people in Gaza tell you this all the time—and, by the way, I also spend a lot of time in Gaza. They will tell you that the occupation is being resisted. That’s the reason for the rockets. Now, I condemn the rockets. That is a condemnable way to try and resist occupation.


But the fact is that although Israel did leave Gaza in 2005, it then exposed an occupied people for the first time in human history to the most stringent trade embargo in the history of trade relations. In international law, there’s the concept of effective control: if you control the airspace, the land and the sea borders of a place, you occupy it. And from the UN’s point of view, there is one occupied territory. So if there’s one Israeli soldier occupying the West Bank, then Gaza is also occupied. I’m afraid that is how international law works. Gaza has continued to be occupied. And until the underlying cause of this, the occupation, is addressed and the strangulation, which is part of that occupation, is addressed, I fear for the people of Sderot.


MEAGAN BUREN: I’m sorry, I just—I can’t accept the argument that rockets are justifiable because of occupation—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: I’m not justifying them. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not justifying the rockets.


MEAGAN BUREN: First of all, I disagree that there’s an occupation. Again—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: I’m saying that people in Gaza will tell you that the rockets are a response to occupation, and it’s the occupation which the UN Security Council resolutions say should be addressed, which many in Gaza see as the cause of this.


MEAGAN BUREN: I’m sorry. Israel left all of Gaza three years ago in hopes of peace, like I’ve already stated. In hopes of peace, they pulled every soldier, every settler out of Gaza. Not a single Israeli, aside from the Israeli, Gilad Shalit, who was kidnapped and taken over the border and has been in captivity, held by Hamas for years now—there is not a single Israeli left in Gaza up until a few days ago. And what happened? They got rockets in return.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: You know, there’s a very good Israeli human rights organization, which has written a report called “Disengaged Occupiers.”


MEAGAN BUREN: What did Israel do? First it tries peaceful means—first it tries peaceful means, economic diplomacy, in order to try and dissuade Hamas from firing rockets. But what happens? Continue rockets.


AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to wrap up this discussion. Last point I want to ask, about the blockade and the issue of the blockade, the effect of the blockade, and whether—Meagan Buren, Christopher Gunness, where you see this going? Christopher Gunness, Hamas has said they would end the—they are calling for a ceasefire if the blockade were ended.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: Well, I fear that what we’re going to see is a continuation of the land offensive for quite some time. I fear that the blockade is unlikely to end. I fear that there will be further radicalization within Gaza, entirely playing into the hands of Hamas, who will be given a very fertile recruiting ground. There will be more terror for the people of Sderot, condemnably, and there will be more terror and the threat of military action for the poor, innocent women and children of Gaza who suffered quite enough. Talking and engagement, that’s the only way out of this.


AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Meagan Buren, on the issue of the blockade, the issue of what we’ve been hearing described by the United Nations and other human rights groups, the issue of, well, Sara Roy, the Harvard professor, asking how can keeping food and medicine from the people of Gaza protect the people of Israel? How can the impoverishment and suffering of Gaza’s children, more than half the population, benefit anyone? And that was actually written before the attack.


MEAGAN BUREN: As Mr. Gunness said, there are tons, thousands of tons, of food and supplies going in from Israel into Gaza. And that doesn’t mean that the situation in Gaza is easy right now. It’s certainly not an easy situation for the innocent civilians that are living in Gaza right now. But when will Hamas stop the rocket fire? When will the terrorism stop, so that both sides can live in peace?


AMY GOODMAN: Are you denying that there is a humanitarian crisis? Meagan Buren, are you denying there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza?


MEAGAN BUREN: I’m not in Gaza right now. And frankly, I find it hard to take Hamas at its word. And I have to say that Israel continues to send in thousands and thousands of tons of food and supplies—


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: Take the UN at its word. There is a humanitarian crisis. Take the UN—


AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Gunness—


MEAGAN BUREN: —every single day.


AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Gunness is not Hamas. He’s with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency.


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: And I’m saying there’s a humanitarian crisis. Please answer that.


MEAGAN BUREN: OK, well, Christopher Gunness is saying that there’s a humanitarian crisis. I’m saying it’s unfortunate that all of the food and supplies that are going in from Israel into Gaza, Hamas isn’t distributing to its people. Remember, there is another border with Gaza, with Egypt.


AMY GOODMAN: Christopher Gunness, is that the case, that Hamas—let me put that question to the person on the ground in Gaza. Is that the case? It’s Hamas that’s stopping the distribution of food and medicine?


CHRISTOPHER GUNNESS: I have heard no reports of Hamas hoarding food, but I have to say that there is a war going on, and our workers are not getting out to everywhere where they normally get out to. Our food distributions are going on, and we’re saying we need more petrol, we need more fuel, and we need more grain. And if we don’t get that, the humanitarian crisis will deepen, and a lot more people will suffer and be made more radical and even less likely to be partners in peace.


AMY GOODMAN: We’re going to have to leave it there. I want to thank you both for being with us—


MEAGAN BUREN: And at the same time, the World Food Program is saying their warehouses are full—


AMY GOODMAN: Meagan Buren, thank you, senior adviser with the Israel Project, a nonprofit group in Washington and Jerusalem, and Christopher Gunness, spokesperson for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, joining us on the line from Gaza

This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, the War and Peace Report. We go to break and then come back to look at UN action, and then we’ll go back on the ground to Gaza. Stay with us.

http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/ ... t=00:13:10

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:34 pm
by Ozan Ersoy
Mehmet Daskiran wrote:
Ismail Gezer wrote:Kıçıyla gülüyordur tabi, obez amerikanın obez hayvanları!
Ismail madem oyle dusunuyorsun, su soldaki Eric Cartman figurunu de bir tornadan (fotoshop) geciriver :lol:
Hahaahaaaaaa..... Gunun en guzel oturtmasi olmus :)

Amerika'ya lanet ama Iran'a lanet okuma. KahpeArap liderlerinin nasil kendi kardeslerini para ugruna bir asirdir sattigini goreme. Tarih bilme, Ingiltere'nin parmagini anlama, Avrupa'nin oynadigi oyunlari gorme ama Amerika'ya lanet yagdir. Herifler daha cok degil 100 sene bile olmadi Ingiliz'in atinin arkasinda bayraklariyla Turk'e saldiriyorlardi, kilictan geciriyorlardi. Kac yuz bin sehit verildi o topraklarda, ne turkuler yakildi, giden gelmiyor diye bildin mi?

Arap'in petrodolarlarinin buyuk cogunlugu nerede? Amerika'da.

Amerika'ya lanet ama hayatini guzellestiren %90 bulus cihaz Amerikan icadi. Annesi hastalanacak gidecek doktora, verilecek ilac? Amerika'daki doktorun, bilimadaminin calismasinin urunu. Futbol oynarken dizi donecek, gidecek hastaneye teshis konulsun diye, sokacaklar MR'a, kimin icadi? Amerika'linin.

Amerika'da ekonomi kotu, Turkiye'ye bunun dalgasi gelecek, kendisi olmasa bile etrafindakiler inim inim inleyecek, kira odenemeyecek, coluk cocuk hastalanacak doktor parasi bulunamayacak. Ama Amerika batsin. Biraz ekonomi nasil isliyor, bu is nasil birbiriyle baglantili arastirin... Yok.

Fettos nerede? Amerika'da. Neden kutsal topraklarda Mekke'de veya Tahran'da degil de Amerika'da?

Cok sevgili basbakaniniz sikisinca ilk nereye kosuyor? Amerika'ya. Kac senedir "ekonomiyi canlandirdik canlandirdik" diye atiyorlardi. Kimin parasiyla? Amerika'nin.

Irak savasi? Senin AKP basbakanin ulkeyi pazarlamadi mi, 30 milyar dolar istemedi mi, Amerika'yla Irak'a girebilmek icin? 3 oya dua edin yoksa simdi yuzbinlerce Turk askeri Amerikan askerinin gotunu kollamakla mesguldu. Kime karsi? Musluman Irak halkina karsi. Ne icin? 30 milyar dolar icin.

Amerika son 8 senedir tarihinin en kotu yonetimiyle yonetildi. Bunun acisini da hem kendileri hem biz belki 30 sene cekecegiz. Bu da dogru ama kafayi biraz kuma gommeden mantikli dusunmek gerekir. Mantik varsa tabii.

Amerika olmasa baska birisi olacak mi? Elbette. Sec begen... Cin, Rusya, EU, Almanya, Ingiltere.... Hangisi bosluktan yararlanip parsayi koparabilirse tabii.

Ozan Ersoy

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:43 pm
by Mehmet Gurdal Cetin
Ozan Ersoy wrote:
Mehmet Daskiran wrote:
Ismail Gezer wrote:Kıçıyla gülüyordur tabi, obez amerikanın obez hayvanları!
Ismail madem oyle dusunuyorsun, su soldaki Eric Cartman figurunu de bir tornadan (fotoshop) geciriver :lol:
Hahaahaaaaaa..... Gunun en guzel oturtmasi olmus :)

Amerika'ya lanet ama Iran'a lanet okuma.

Ben cok yakinda is icin IRAN'a gidiyorum, lanet okuyanlar bana okusun ben elden direk teslim edebilirim :D

Salak Arap liderlerinin nasil kendi kardeslerini para ugruna bir asirdir sattigini goreme. Tarih bilme, Ingiltere'nin parmagini anlama, Avrupa'nin oynadigi oyunlari gorme ama Amerika'ya lanet yagdir.

Gecenlerde baska bir yerde yazmistim, O.Cocuklari film adi di mi? :D
Hepsi sirayla hakediyor, ama siralamada kim onde kim arkada karar verilemiyor.

Ufuk nelere kadirsin, ulan bir kriz istedin basimiza neler geldi be :D


Ozan Ersoy

Yazdiklarina katilmamak el de degil, ama oturtturma, gotu kollama (EDIT-kelime yanlisi yapmisim) felan ayip kaciyor, degil mi Ozancim .

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:54 pm
by Ozan Ersoy
Mehmet Gurdal Cetin wrote:

Yazdiklarina katilmamak el de degil,
Sorun yok o zaman.

Bana ayip konusunda ders verecek en son kisi sensin... Taaa 1998 yilindan yazilarini cikarttirma buraya simdi.

Ozan Ersoy

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:24 pm
by Mehmet Gurdal Cetin
Ozan Ersoy wrote:
Mehmet Gurdal Cetin wrote:

Yazdiklarina katilmamak el de degil,
Sorun yok o zaman.

Bana ayip konusunda ders verecek en son kisi sensin... Taaa 1998 yilindan yazilarini cikarttirma buraya simdi.

Ozan Ersoy
Ilk kisi son kisi, kahve agzina gerek yok
Cikartirma ettirme :D
Taa 1998 dedigine gore Fil degil Mamutmus bizimkisi
Neyse bak isine sen

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:46 pm
by Alpay Dedeoglu
Esasinda satir satir birkac cümleni hemen yazabilirdide 1998'den Ozan,
tahmin ediyorum belgeli kaynakli referansli linkli olsun isted, aceleye getirmedi. :-)

Gerci Ozanda ''lafi gedigine oturttu'' ve de ''guvenligini saglamak yani arkasini kollamak'' demeyi kastediyor, biraz keskinlestirmis ifadeyi,kisisellik yok. Ama biraz sinirlenmis hali var tabii.

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:52 pm
by Mehmet Gurdal Cetin
Alpay Dedeoglu wrote:Esasinda satir satir birkac cümleni hemen yazabilirdide 1998'den Ozan,
tahmin ediyorum belgeli kaynakli referansli linkli olsun isted, aceleye getirmedi. :-)

Gerci Ozanda ''lafi gedigine oturttu'' ve de ''guvenligini saglamak yani arkasini kollamak'' demeyi kastediyor, biraz keskinlestirmis ifadeyi,kisisellik yok. Ama biraz sinirlenmis hali var tabii.
:D

Farkindayim, bende daha fazla tahrik edip kirli camasirlarimi dokturtmeyim dedim.Simdi haril haril calisiyordur :D

Sadece hanima mahsustur o isler, Ozan'i katmayayim dedim.
Haftaya Istanbul'a geliyorum , kuralim yine bir masa, raki saati isliyor

Tik tak tik tak :D

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:45 pm
by Ozan Ersoy
Alpay Dedeoglu wrote:Esasinda satir satir birkac cümleni hemen yazabilirdide 1998'den Ozan,
tahmin ediyorum belgeli kaynakli referansli linkli olsun isted, aceleye getirmedi. :-)

Gerci Ozanda ''lafi gedigine oturttu'' ve de ''guvenligini saglamak yani arkasini kollamak'' demeyi kastediyor, biraz keskinlestirmis ifadeyi,kisisellik yok. Ama biraz sinirlenmis hali var tabii.
Tabii ki... Irak savasina kiziliyor, Turkiye'de %80 Amerikan aleyhtari ama balik hafizali milletim benim, basbakan musveddesinin cikip televizyonlarda meclisde nasil Irak'a girmek icin propaganda yaptigini hatirlamiyor. Fellik fellik ulkenin askerinin hayatinin para karsiliginda pazarligini yaptigini hic hatirlamiyor. Herifler Allah'dan vermedi de 30 milyari, catir cutur atacaklardi o oylari. Yine de 3 oya bakti. Sonra girilecekti Musul Kerkuk hayaliyle, en boktan isleri Turk askerine yaptiracaklardi. Bir yerde ayaklanma mi var, seyh muktadir boktadir birilerinin irzina mi geciyor, hadiii Turk'leri yollla. Pazar carsida bomba mi atiliyor, hadiii Turk'leri yolla. Amerika'lilar nerede? Bagdat'da "green zone"da. Kotarilmis bolgede ya da petrol kuyularinin basinda. Bizim askerler "hot bu ne sacmalik niye en tehlikeli yerlere biz gidiyormusuz? Bak ben verdim 5000 olu, sen verdin 500, ne is?" diye biraz diklenmeye baslayinca "hooop bak 30 milyar, shut the f.ck up" diyeceklerdi kiclarinin uzerlerine oturacaklardi bizimkiler. Sonra da para suyunu cekince "hadi biz gidiyoruz, Turk'leri Irak'in guvenligini saglamak uzere gorevlendirdik, bu isi en iyi onlar yapar, hadi koclarim, aslanlarim, bak kanlarinizda savas var, yigitsiniz alpsiniz siz" deyip cikip, coldeki kazik gibi bizi butun Orta Dogu'yla basbasa birakacaklardi. Al basina belayi. Zaten 100'lerce yillik dusmanlik, kahpelik, arkadan vurmusluk var.

Eger girilecekse ne para pazarligi "ben girerim para mara da istemem, benim hedefim kurt sorununu pkk'yi halletmek, halledince de cikarim, istedigim zaman istedigim yere de konuslanirim, sen bana karisamazsin, bunun karsiliginda kuzey kapim sana acik" diye girilmeliydi. Ama nerede bu kadar dirayet, bu kadar ongoru, bu onur.

Salt bu nedenle bu heriflerin satilmisligini, yetersizligini, iki yuzlulugunu, pespayeligini gorebilmek gerekir ama nerede? 100 kilo komure satilmis milletim benim...

Sonra Amerika cart amerika cort.

Ozan Ersoy

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:56 pm
by Mehmet Gurdal Cetin
ADAM GIBI ADAM

FREDERIC KANOUTE

http://m.eurosport.com/football/kanoute ... tory.shtml

http://galeri.internethaber.com/gallery.php?id=2788

Sari karti gordu ama bu milyonlarca dolara deger bir protesto oldu.

Bir biz bilmiyoruz adam gibi protesto yapmayi,ama bilen en dogrusunu en medeni bicimde yapiyor.

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:52 pm
by Alpay Dedeoglu
Bir de boyle bir protesto var. Acayip memleket bizimki:

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx? ... egoryID=77

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:21 pm
by Ugur Sahin
Alpay Dedeoglu wrote:Bir de boyle bir protesto var. Acayip memleket bizimki:

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx? ... egoryID=77
Bu yasadışı değil mi?

Köpeklerin girmesinin serbest olduğunu anlatmak için kucaklarına bir köpek almalarına gerek yokmuş; pankartlara bakan görüyor zaten pek bir sıkıntı çekmediklerini girişte.

Ugur